Archive for October 24th, 2012

Subject: Re: Some Questions and Answers Related with Prevailing Dogma in Ananda Marga #3
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 10:40:37 +0200
From: Amrit Lalloo



~ Part 3 ~

(This comes to us from an important margii of South Africa. This is the third letter in this series. Links to earlier letters are appended below.)

“He [Sarvatmanandji] invented mahaprayan and glued it into Caryacarya Part 1 as the appendix.

Sarvatmanandji gave the justification that:

‘It is our duty to include the mahaprayan program of annual remembrance in Caryacarya – because Baba does not want to discuss this sensitive issue in front of devotees.’

But all this is wrong. Baba has discussed His physical departure in various places such as in Senior Acarya Diary (Guru Puja section) and in other places as well. In those instances, He clearly guides us how to proceed and how to do guru puja when He is not physically manifest as Mahasambhuti on this earth.

So it is not that He is too shy or too hesitant to include so-called mahaprayan in Caryacarya.

Rather deliberately He has not put mahaprayan into Caryacarya because this type of false notion is not part of Ananda Marga ideology. He is along with us always – He has not left and He is not gone.” (From Some Questions and Answers Related with Prevailing Dogma)

The “mahaprayan dogma” must be stopped without delay. Do not trash the future. The future will not forgive us.

To think that a six-day kiirtan practice can only happen on the dogmatic occasion of so-called mahaprayan is a ludicrous idea.

I recall a story told so often by my acarya about a family man locking up his cat before offering milk to his deity as he did not want the cat to drink / lick that pure milk and ruin his puja. After he and his cat passed on, his son blindly carried on with the family tradition. The son went out specifically and bought a cat, and locked it away when he offered the milk to the deity. Even sometimes the son would do his puja just by locking up the cat and not offering any milk to the deity. The son thought the having a cat locked was itself the key point to successful puja, and did not realise his father was locking up the cat so that it would not ruin the puja by licking the milk offered to the deity. By this misunderstanding, locking up the cat became a necessary ingredient for the ritual. No-one questioned as to why the cat was locked away in the first instance.

This is how meaningless rituals / dogmas come into being. And now some are thinking that same way about kiirtan and so-called mahaprayan. They think they cannot do a multi-day kiirtan program unless they organise the dogmatic mahaprayan program as well. Are they not blind & dogmatic like the son in the above story?

The situation will only worsen…

Now imagine what will happen in Tiljala in say 10 – 50 years. Ritualistic worshipers will come in hoards to the “shrine” for cures, for good-luck, win courtroom battles , wealth, jobs etc. And they will all think that long kiirtan can only happen at this mahaprayan event. Such will be their dogmatic outlook.

Dogmas make silent, devious inroads into the human psyche. This is a historical fact. Baba guides us that if casteism was destroyed in the early making it would have been easier to destroy. Once it got rooted into the society it became more diffcult to remove. Baba also give the example in His book on neo-humanism wherein the banyan seed in the couryard of a mansion – if not pulled out – will grow into a massive tree that will destroy the entire mansion. (Reference: Neo-Humanism – Liberation of Intellect, Disc: 2, Bondages and Solution)

Similarly the mahaprayan dogma -if not halted now – will make even more dangerous and devilish inroads. One dogma gives birth to many dogmas.

Babas teachings and practices are more than comprehensive. If Baba wanted He would have included “mahaprayan maha-kirtan”, but He did not.

Message to the leadership:


in Baba,


#1: http://am-global-01.blogspot.com/2012/10/some-questions-and-answers-related-with.html

#2: http://am-global-01.blogspot.com/2012/10/re-some-questions-and-answers-related.html

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From: “Satiish Deva” ink.net

Subject: Re: Dada’s Books: Are They Misleading #3
Date: Wed 24 Oct 2012 30:38:05 +0530



~ Part 3 ~

(Note: This is the third letter in this series, links to the two earlier letters on this thread are appended below. -Eds)

“The thing is when PA Dada Keshavanandji misunderstood Baba’s reaction of the Yamara’j story then such a mistake can happen to anyone. After all, PA is around Baba 24hrs per day – 7 days a week – so naturally PA will develop a strong understanding of Baba’s way of communication. Even then PA himself is susceptible to not properly understanding Baba. And that is proven by Keshavanandji’s wrong manner of interpreting Baba’s reaction to the Yamara’j story.”

It was quite remarkable and eye-opening to see just how “off” Dada Keshavananda was with his explanation. I have always had great respect for Dadaji – and I still do – as he served so faithfully as PA. I remember those years well. To see that Keshavanandji can badly misunderstand Baba’s expression just shows that this could (and does) happen to anyone.


What Baba has told on the public platform and in His discourses is the word of dharma. When others tells us “this” or “that” about their personal experiences with Baba then we have to think in multiple directions how far this is correct or not.

Individual people have their own limited way of understanding and interpreting things. So we cannot always depend on their individual reports as being accurate, perfect, & dharmic.

We can only accept those accounts which are consistent with His divine discourses – i.e. which follow the code of rationality etc. Otherwise, without that, we cannot accept any single individual’s report or interpretation as being Baba’s actual guideline for the humanity.



At a minimum, we should always evaluate how far any Baba story or account is wholly consistent with Ananda Marga ideology. We should keep this in mind when reading any book written by a Dada. All too often their books are off the mark. This has been and continues to be a problem. Dada Keshavananda’s book is a clear-cut example. Please watch for further letters in this series about books by other Dadas that strayed from the path.

Dada Keshavananda’s book is not an isolated case. So many books written by Dadas veer off in the wrong direction. If you want to get the right guideline, read Baba’s books.

Satiish Deva


After reading this account of how Keshavanandji misunderstood Baba, a related point comes to mind: The bogus “merge in mission” quote. That so-called quote is against ideology and against Ista. Baba surely never spoke such words. Only a few innocent margiis misunderstood what Baba spoke when they visited Him in jail, and then that got printed in an unauthorised publication.

Remember, understanding Guru’s expression is not always easy. Plus when visiting Baba in jail then He often remained silent and only wrote a few words on his small piece of slate / chalkboard. This was because speaking took a lot of energy and He was weak from fasting. When He did speak, then it was done in a low voice as the the security guard was always close by when Baba spoke with visitors. Not to mention that no pens, paper, or recording devices were allowed to be used when sadhakas visited Baba. So they were forced to try and remember what Baba conveyed. And nobody can remember a spoken idea or paragraph with word-for-word accuracy.

All this goes to show that the bogus “merge in mission” quote really is bogus. There is no rational or logical grounds for its existence other than people misunderstood what Baba wished to convey. As Keshavanandji did not understand, in a similar manner these margiis also lost the point. They could not understand what Baba told and instead they wrote something else.

First they mis-recalled what Baba spoke and the proof is that the bogus quote goes against Ananda Marga ideals, and then they tried to publish that quote in Baba’s name. Hence two wrongs were committed.

Finally, what a sadhaka remembers about their meeting with Baba is exactly that: Their personal account. What they recall from their meeting with Baba should not be quoted and then added to the shastra of Ananda Marga. That is not the way. What they remember is simply their memoir of their time with Baba. It cannot be reclassified and published in Baba’s name.


For those not aware, here are the two versions of the bogus quote:

(1) Here is the quote as it appears in the unofficial book – Supreme Expression I – which was published by an outside group / agency:

“If you want to see Me, do my Mission because I am merged with my Mission. I am not this physical body, this physical body is not me. I am in your hearts and you are in mine. Only devotion can demand my physical presence.” (Supreme Expression I, p. 57 (1978)

(2) Next is the version of the bogus quote concocted by Ac. Sarvatmanandji & other Dadas in Oct 1990:

“I am not this physical body, this physical body is not me. If you want to know me, work for my mission, because I have merged myself with my mission.”

Here is a link to the most recent letter of the bogus quote series and within that are links to all prior letters about the so-called merge-in-mission quote.

Important Point: Some margiis are using part of this bogus quote to convince others on their own point. Such margiis think that this section proper and correct, but it is not fine. Because when the whole quote is bogus then any part of that quote is also bogus, i.e. not Baba’s real quote. It is just like when one bucket is filled completely with cow dung, then any part of that bucket is also cow dung, not nectar. That is why this part “I am not this physical body, this physical body is not me” is also bogus


Here are the two earlier letters about Dada Keshavanandji’s misunderstanding of the god of death story.

#1: http://am-global-01.blogspot.com/2012/10/dadas-books-are-they-misleading.html

#2: http://am-global-01.blogspot.com/2012/10/re-dadas-books-are-they-misleading.html


“A’jake sa’njhe madhur sa’jhe ke else go, ke ele…” (P.S. 5006)


In this sweet and intoxicated evening, Who has come, Who has come? Who is that Entity Who has created this new wave in everyone’s life and in everyone’s heart. Those who are sitting with their doors and windows closed, please come out and forget about the differences of own and other. That divine Entity Who is always sitting in the mind, He has come in front of us. We should enjoy His august arrival all together…

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